tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6343163817426504212.post4454831623105843615..comments2023-08-15T14:13:25.881+01:00Comments on The Simple Pastor: Completely out of stepPhil Whittallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02924050376023993196noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6343163817426504212.post-57091066210655083912008-07-15T13:14:00.000+01:002008-07-15T13:14:00.000+01:00Thanks for the comments - I might need to amend my...Thanks for the comments - I might need to amend my comment on marriage. I do believe we need to deal with divorce and the reality of marriage breakdown. We have a number of divorcees in church for example. However, I was clumsily trying to address the issue that divorce has become too easy. It doesn't work, doesn't matter kind of attitude.Phil Whittallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02924050376023993196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6343163817426504212.post-24864668555690995832008-07-15T12:11:00.000+01:002008-07-15T12:11:00.000+01:00Phil,You have 12 points. I agree totally with 8 an...Phil,<BR/><BR/>You have 12 points. I agree totally with 8 and have minor quibbles with the others, I am sure that those are reconcilable.<BR/><BR/>For example I believe marriage is for life, but recognise that when, through sin, a marriage fails we need to deal with that.<BR/><BR/>I agree marriage is between a man and woman, that does not mean we would agree on civil partnerships. I think disentangling marriage from being heterosexual is probably impossible and not particularly helpful to anyone. But I do believe that we need to recognise a lifelong commitments to consensual, stable, loving, monogamous same sex relationships. <BR/><BR/>Obviously biologically men and women are not identical, but I clearly believe they are equal in the sight of God and no one gender should be in authority over another (which to me comes clearly from the general tenor scripture with only a couple of difficult specific texts which refer to specific situations).<BR/><BR/>While all will be judged and those who reject Christ will not be in heaven I still pray that faced with Christ all will accept him.<BR/><BR/>Oh and I agree with Ian's comments (except for gay marriage as noted above).DaveWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14822407495120319380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6343163817426504212.post-91130089740397633782008-07-15T11:38:00.000+01:002008-07-15T11:38:00.000+01:00Phew!NOthing like the big issues hey?Let me ask a ...Phew!<BR/><BR/>NOthing like the big issues hey?<BR/><BR/>Let me ask a couple of questions before posting some of my own for your list.<BR/><BR/>"I believe that marriage is for life. Statistics suggest society thinks otherwise.<BR/><BR/>I believe marriage is for a man and a woman. According to Sir Ian McKellen the problem I have as a result is homophobia."<BR/><BR/>Yes - I do agree with you. HOWEVER, why is the church can find creative and grace-filled ways to deal with those who areremarrying, but not lifelong homosexual partners? If marriage is for life, is there a moral difference between remarriage and gay marriage?<BR/><BR/><BR/>"I believe that men and women are not exactly the same and that the differences between the genders are good not bad, a cause for celebration not protest. That possibly makes me sexist."<BR/><BR/>Yes - many in society would agree. The question is not if the genders are different, but if those differences create a heirarchy in home or church? Some may say there are differences, but these are complemetary for the same roles, each gender bringing something different to the same tasks, not different ones roles.<BR/><BR/>"I believe that you can't buy happiness and the meaning of life is not found at Ikea"<BR/><BR/>Now here you have just gone too far! IKEA is the meaning of life!<BR/><BR/>"I believe that there is only one way to be right with God and that is through Jesus Christ. I am not a pluralist. All religions do not lead to God, which is not the same as saying 'we have nothing to learn'."<BR/><BR/>Yes- Jesus is the only way to God. But is Christianity? Can Jesus draw people outside of the Church, who may never learn the language of Christianity and the Church, or even realise that is what they are part of?<BR/><BR/>"I believe that there will be a judgement on mankind, and not everyone will be in heaven"<BR/><BR/>But will they be in hell? What about the reference to the cross reconciling "all things" to Christ? (I think it is in Ephesians).<BR/><BR/><BR/>Here are a few other areas where I feel out of step:<BR/><BR/>I do not believe it is a biblical notion that our aim in life is a secure financial environment where we gradually accumulate enough wealth to retire for a compfortable last 15 years.<BR/><BR/>I do not believe that property ownership is an absolute good<BR/><BR/>I do not believe that a consumer-driven economy that depends on growing levels of consumption is either biblical or to the benefit of society in the long term.<BR/><BR/>I am sure there are some more...Ian Matthewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777033213615262701noreply@blogger.com